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Anreill
812,800,000nm Satisfies Me!
Joined: 19 Mar 2003
Posts: 1376
Location: OKC
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I have an M&P 9mm and love it. It's a full frame instead of a compact, but I've had absolutely no problems with it. I've shot the xD back when I was trying out various things to see what I wanted to get, and prefer it for reasons you already listed. I find it to be very comfortable due to the changeable backplates and overall size. One thing you should take into consideration is your thoughts on safeties. The xD has a two stage trigger and a grip safety. The M&P only has a two stage trigger, so if you're leery about that you might want to go with xD. I get hell from Goahed a lot, but I carry condition zero when I'm actually out and about (round in the chamber, ready to fire). I've actually had someone hit me with a motorized wheelchair, causing the gun to come free of it's holster and fall to the floor. Not a scratch on it and it didn't blow anyone's foot off or make any loud noises (Not that such is likely to happen.) I've also found that the two stage trigger alone is quite sufficient to stop an accidental discharge, as I've messed with the trigger from several different angles and tried to hang it up on my clothes and such (unloaded of course) and never been able to cause a full trigger pull.
In short, I personally would recommend the M&P.
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:46 pm
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LightningCrash
Smile like Bob, order your free LC today
Joined: 03 Apr 2003
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HaMMerHeD wrote: LightningCrash wrote: 1911/CZ guys rest their thumb on the safety while firing.
This means, foremost, that you have an awesome grip. Secondly, it means that when you extend to isosceles, the safety is pushed down.
Studies have shown that when somebody snatches your pistol and it has a thumb safety on it, it takes them almost 2 seconds to get your weapon ready to fire ( I believe it was 1.75 seconds.)
Snatched DA pistols and revolvers, however, are immediately used upon their owner.
Just food for thought.
Do you have links for these studies? I read it in a paper so I had to Google hard to find it:
In 2006 the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) published a report, “Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation’s Law Enforcement Officers,” which hits upon manual safeties.
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/violent-encounters.html
FWIW Ayoob agrees with their conclusions on manual safeties.
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Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:49 am
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HaMMerHeD
[H]ard 4 OKGG
Joined: 30 Aug 2007
Posts: 194
Location: Norman, OK
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LightningCrash wrote: Realistically, as long as you're well trained with a gun, the manual safety isn't a big issue either way. You've already made the biggest gain in personal safety by your training.
Safariland makes some CCW retention holsters that do a lot to provide physical security on your weapon.
come over to www.okshooters.com
I promise I'm just as much of a dick over there, too.
Oh, I wasn't calling you a dick (but I do reserve the right to do so at a later date if necessary), I just find that there is a tremendous propensity for forwarding seemingly logical but still invalid hearsay and loads of FUD in this "hobby." It can be hard to wade through the bullshit sometimes, so it is nice to have actual sources for this information. I tend not to place a lot of stock in Government studies, especially since the government has been trying to tell me that drug violence in Mexico is my fault. But I have read a few of Ayoob's articles, and he seems trustable enough to me, and the gun people I know sometimes talk about him like the Second Coming or something (which sometimes casts him in a sour light, to my perspective).
Anyway, thanks for the info.
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Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:07 pm
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